Well Chuck what that mouthy bitch actually said was No Comp teams have bought pro jacks in quite some time like were all a bunch of broke dick jokes! Thats how I took it anyway! Id use jack stands and a floor jack before i ever spent one penny with her or her dads business. i wouldnt own a set if they didnt come with a set of used ones when I bought it! On to more important things lol. Hows things with you?