12 P/S Cars??

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  1. Brian Landies

    Brian Landies Active Member

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    Your stat about your runner up super stock payout in 1987 vs your pro stock win payout is amazing. How can this be? And your commercial idea is awesome. What year did you organize the big payout at Belle Rose? That was one of the best comp fields of all time
     
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  2. Rodger Brogdon

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    I had a typo, I actually got $27,000 plus a Goodyear gift certificate for our first PS win but the differences are still amazing.
    I probably spent less than $600 to go to a race and back in 87.
    I think our bonus program was around 2009 or 10.
    We had great a turnout for sure. I remember the only event that year that had more comp cars than Belle Rose was Indy.
     
  3. Brian Landies

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    Belle Rose Sports Nats

    2009- 25 cars (bump #25 +3.25)
    2010- 27 cars (bump #27 -0.12)
    2011- 40 cars (bump #32 -0.54)
    2012- 27 cars (bump #27 +4.26)
    2013- 32 cars (bump #32 +2.51)
    2014- 23 cars (bump #23 +1.33)
    2015- 21 cars (bump #22 +0.99)

    2011 was the year of the money.
    Rule changes are pointless
     
  4. Frank Aragona Jr.

    Frank Aragona Jr. Active Member

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    There is no doubt money is the solution. EVERYONE knows it and we have beaten it to death. The unknown's are where to get it, how to handle it, who will do it and how do we do it for everyone in Comp, not just individual divisions on their own. Its not as easy as one might think. Roger and Steve did a great job back then with that race and D4. Brian has done a great job in D3. Jeff does a great job in D6. I only have a few small programs going in D1 because I don't have the time to do a big program like I did years ago in D1. The fund I had going in D1 a while back brought an additional $6500 to each race which paid winner through 1st round losers. So yes it is possible but its a lot of work and there are many things involved such as time, expenses, bank accounts, taxes, etc.
     
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  5. Brian Landies

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    I have the solution to this problem Frank, but as public enemy number one I realize this stuff goes no where
     
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  6. Will Hanna

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    The real sad fact is Detroit has went down a different road than what Pro Stock is today.

    I don't know how much money the Big 3 put into Factory Stock type stuff, but I think it's a safe assumption it's more than Pro Stock.

    Rodger is dead nuts on in terms of the payout to cost. I think that is a fairly close ratio from the top to the bottom of any NHRA class. You give a hard core racer in any class a budget and they will spend whatever it takes to be better than the next guy.

    NHRA is tasked with bridging the gap of making money and maintaining the sport and it's legacy. Pro Stock is certainly a legacy class. There is obviously no way to make the current iteration of the class relevant with Detroit or it would have been done.

    It's pure speculation if Detroit would get into a new gen Pro Stock. One would think it's a logical speculation given the money they are putting into the sportsman iterations of it.

    Rodger, your proposal has merit, I just doubt that NHRA is going to put that kind of effort or let that kind of sponsor money come in without it going in their pocket. So then it becomes a racer funded deal kind of like Pro Mod is. At that point what good does then increased payouts do if racers are ultimately funding them?

    Here's a fairy tale scenario, but let's say Detroit was behind a Pro Stock make over to a Factory stock style platform. If NHRA were to broker a deal on racer's behalf that the existing Pro Stock racers, and maybe a list of 'active' within the last 3-5 years or so would be eligible to get some SIGNIFICANT factory support to make the change. Not just KB Racing becoming the "Factory" GM team and everyone else is left to make their own stuff (see PSM, Harley Davidson).

    If there's going to be a transition, I hope NHRA would give everyone a year to do it.

    Obviously without significant factory and aftermarket mfg support to whatever changes would be made, it's a moot point. I just think COPO vs Cobra Jet vs Drag Pak/Demon vs ??? would be pretty viable.

    The more of a direct tie in to what a race fan may have in the garage, the more relevant a class will be.
     
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  7. Frank Aragona Jr.

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    Brian if you have a solution to accomplish this I would love to hear it whether you believe it or not. I have always treated you with respect and the only thing I don't agree with you on is any negativity, I don't believe it is conducive. You don't have to like me. I don't do any of this for popularity. I try to do the best I can to support the class I love to race and for everyone else in it, so I am absolutely open to ideas!
     
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  8. Brian Landies

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    Form a Comp Eliminator organization. Put 1 member in charge of creating these bonus funds. They get 10% of the money. $650 per race times 65 races. So let's say it was you in charge of it (assuming you had time and I know you don't) you would get 40k+ per year if you averaged $6500 per race. The more money you bring in the more you get paid. Like an agent for an NFL player. They would be in charge of social media relations, posting videos etc. Really a full time job for a young member of Comp eliminator. Of course this would require cooperation and assistance developing relationships and contacts across the country. Guys like you, Jeff Lane, Browell etc.. like I said. Far fetched. But what did they do when they invented fire? They burned that witch. Until they got warm and ate lots of good stuff.

    And for what it's worth, I'm sorry that facts are interpreted as negative on this board. I'll keep them to myself from now on
     
  9. Clint Neff

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    I think it sounds like a great way of approaching it Brian! Thanks for sharing it!
     
  10. Frank Aragona Jr.

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    Brian,
    We the SRAC have discussed exactly what you are talking about, but most of us run businesses of our own and cannot put in the time required. I personally have discussed this with a few individuals throughout the years and nobody has been willing to take it on. Do you know anyone?

    BTW..............this is all very positive! When I mention the negativity I don't like, for one example would be the postings about the booing from the stands at Norwalk when the person was inputting the indexes wrong. My opinion is that dwelling on it makes it seem worse so why not try to make lemonade out of the lemons. Besides sometimes it gets talked about without knowing all the facts. Shit happens! No human and no organization is perfect.
     
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  11. Brian Landies

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    I never brought up the booing at Norwalk... But it is a fact that it happened. Not my opinion. I did hint at it I suppose in a reactionary post to Browell's over-reaction to me. And no, I don't know anyone. I'm not a real racer. Just a fan and an occasional hydration technician for Frank.

    Maybe a good way to start is with a plan, and then an email to all comp racers if they or anyone they know would be interested. It would take some time and sacrifice to get it started no doubt.
     
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  12. Michael Compton

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    I think that is a great idea. As an owner of a CPA firm, we do work like this for clients already. They run the business, we pay their bills, payroll, make deposits, etc. Truly a very easy job. Could possibly make it a 501c3 so any remaining profit stays within the entity and is not lost in taxes to the government. Much like NHRA.

    The difficult part that I have no clue on is the marketing and social media piece. I truly think hiring the right people for this could promote the heck out of Comp. How long til NHRA wants a piece of the pie?
     
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  13. Frank Aragona Jr.

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    I agree but trust me, even someone to sort that all out, do the hiring and administer it is hard to find. It is a big commitment.
     
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  14. Will Hanna

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    Let me tell you from experience if trying to organize the alcohol racers. It's very difficult to organize all of the different points of view and agendas. However the threat of the class going away may be the since of urgency needed.
     
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  15. Charlie Yannetti

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    WELLLLLLL!!.. thanks to Rodger Brogden for making an appearance, and offering some great thoughts, and hard facts..

    Rodger, you and Steve are missed in Comp, and a lot of us wish you guys would return in the near future..

    That being said, and knowing that NHRA is mainly run by NON RACERS, it just may be prudent to look into things like Mr Hawkins brought up.. and for those who know him, maybe a discussion should take place with Scotty Richardson on his thoughts of promoting such events.. Scotty had some great ideas a few years back, but was mysteriously silenced.. IMAGINE THAT!!!

    And Rodger is absolutely correct.. it's all about the money..
     
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