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Discussion in 'The Comp Buzz' started by rognelson777, Nov 26, 2018.
I think the pro tree would have to be a .5 tree or it would screw alot of the cars.
I see a lot of racers hammer the throttle to the floor when the top light comes on. Especially when they are spotting someone a long distance. Please explain how a pro tree can work? Also for some engines in hot weather it takes a long time to get the engine to the chip without bogging the motor. So it would be difficult for some combinations to be ready before the tree drops. Please explain how a pro tree can work?
I agree^^. Why not a .400 full tree and go half way?
One thing that I always thought did make much sense is when there's the mine shaft rule instead of giving us 5 extra on our index they should take 5 off our index across the board for that race and if you go 61 under that index you lose one.
There is nothing wrong with comp . It comes down to one thing . Money. If the payout was better we would have more cars. We lost a lot of cars when we lost the qualifying money.I think it would be cool if we could get a big buck race organized or a club that could put on races like all the other sportsman categories have. This would make it so you could race your comp car more then just NHRA events , just like other sportsman categories.
Shawn how long does it take to rev your motor. If it doestake a long time, work on your shit.
I agree 100%. I think if D3 can do a bonus fund why couldn’t we do a nation wide program separate from what NHRA pays? I would be more than willing to help!
Same answer can apply if you cant cut a light, work on your shit and your driving.
Pro tree would be a big advantage for the slower index car leaving first.. the faster index car leaving second would now have no appropriate idea when to go on the chip and a different pro tree every time he raced a different competitor...the starting line staging games wanting to be the second one to stage would drive nhra nuts … if you struggle with a staggered tree blinders are the best alternative very fair for both cars.
I have to say I was a fan of the pro tree idea...mostly due to my randomness on my lights and the urge to red light. Its pretty tough... especially with a stick car. But after some recommendations from fellow racers I moved to using blinders... Its really helped me straightened up my starting line game. I'm sure most already do blinders... but if not I highly recommend.
With that in mind... I think a pro tree is unnecessary.. and possibly a can of worms especially considering the variety of cars in Comp and how it would effect different combos across the board. Probably a situation where 50% of people it would help.. and hurt the other 50%. With a change with those odds... I would say leave it alone. There are consistently good starting line racers in Comp... and guys who aren't. So I've come to the conclusion... its not the playing field... it the skill of the racer that matters... and if I want to be better I need to work on it.
I'm tired of seeing red so yes go half way .400 full tree and add a small feature the Biondo 450 crossover....cant see any problem with that..
Comp needs all the help it can get......400 tree or.400 full tree , the .500 full tree is from the dark ages . As far as "revability when you floor it " any problem with that is also from the dark ages.....this is not Super Stock . the single 4 BBL Comp classes go against the limiter same as FI Comp cars......just ask Ryan Warter , he goes to the floor on the second stage light and has done so for several years . "Joint Venture" with Jimmy Warter ( Ryan's Dad ) goes back in Comp 40 years , a good example of how old the .500 tree is.....
The tree is not going to get more people out to race comp. The only thing that has a chance of helping is more money. If some of us can figure out how not to go red in a dragster , then I think everybody can.
The tree will always be a issue, Blinders work great if your car cannot redlight on a .500 protree, but if you use a blinder and still have to wait on the tree like the I/dragster that my family races, (.995 60ft} you have to still wait even with a blinder.
Sure, if you have to wait it's tough, but that's what happens when you have a car that is fast and light, like yours. Ours is 1050 lbs and reacts probably as quick, if not quicker, than just about any car in comp. He still has to wait on the light, but the blinders have helped to give him consistency on the tree. If you're not good on the tree, you just need to get better.... I wholeheartedly agree with Frank and several others on here. The tree isn't what is keeping racers away from comp.....
What does NHRA pay for the following (contingency payout aside)?
Divisional event win and championship?
National event win and championship?
And what was the qualifying money they used to give for comp?
Division win I believe depends on car count but could be wrong. Winning your division is 3k. National event is 2k to winner and 1500 to runner up and 15k to end of year champ.
Contingency sponsors used to pay out to qualify back when 50 cars would show up to an event and it meant something to make the 32 car field. Not sure on the money but most would pay you 50-100 to make a national event. So just to qualify in an event you’d make around $1800
Some good thoughts there, Frank, especially the payouts as a jump off point.. BUT, if you are running other events, are you giving up races that would bring you points towards a championship, OR, by the club aspect, would you be hinting towards another organization.. PERSONALLY, I'm about done with Divisionals and Nationals, and will probably only be at one National this year, cause NHRA owes me one, and maybe no Divisionals.. it's all becoming cost prohibitive, even to a Super Gas guy..
There are several different race schedules out there, and it wouldn't be too hard to piggy back off of one of them, to include Comp.. but because of recent low car counts, it might not be deemed as worth it for these clubs.. unfortunately, when I hear money, I don't look so much at the payouts, although that is important, as much of what it costs to get into Comp these days, and then stay there... still love the class, but the cla$$ don't like me..
Super Class organizations, and even Bracket organizations, are reading the weather on NHRA events, and starting up on their own.. D1 has a great guy in Rob Keister, who has created .90 races at all Divisional tracks in D1.. and I'm sure that there are guys just like him in all Divisions.. might just be time to think about it..
On the original thoughts on this thread, the rules seem to be fine at this point, except on the Personal Index issue.. I originally thought that the PI System would actually level the playing field, and slower cars would return to the track.. unfortunately, the PI System, in my opinion, has done more to hurt the class, than help it.. in some cases, it has taken great drivers out of their cars, to be replaced with a driver with no PI hits.. how does the class get better with these good drivers standing on the sidelines, not even driving their own cars.. and if they do drive them, the PI System has them so dinged up, that they are not competitive.. why build one??.. and the slower cars of yesterday didn't come back anyway.. DUMP THE PI SYSTEM, and get back to some good racing...
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