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Discussion in 'The Comp Buzz' started by Shaun Vincent, Mar 28, 2017.
Good article Shaun. Thanks for posting.
Below are my dad's thoughts on the current situation. I summarized a few of his statements -
After reading all the posts I wasn’t going to post anything because I didn’t want to upset anyone but when I started running comp I was told by a racer that it would be like him running Pro Stock. No I’ve have not won any races, I have went a few rounds and as far as I’m concerned I feel I have done ok. I was around when modified was done away with, still have the button that said "Save Modified" on it.
Some of the ideas to make things better for comp are good and I feel some are not. I think if you take 6-7 tenths off the indexes you are going to lose a lot of racers. Some of the racers that now run 60-70 under will still be the cars to beat and nothing is going to change that. The pi index has only been around a year so why not leave it alone until its been here 3-5 yrs. Is it going to help who really knows?
I feel if you want to help comp - the class needs money! Plain and simple. How about 1st round losers get at least their entry fee back? Why not find a way like Brian Browell did and get some additional money for everyone who shows up? My son won Super Stock at Topeka in July 2016 and he won $2200.00 including contingency. In 1981 I won class at the Cajuns and won $2100. That’s just class and not the actual eliminator. We’re still racing for the same amount that has been there for years with no increase. My problem is I remember how good it use to be go to a national event always got a free case of oil, carb cleaner, wd40, ect. All you had to do was go to midway and ask. It was there for you but not so much any more.
In closing, watch what you ask for and how you ask for it. It could get turned around and not be as good as we have it now.
Good luck to everybody and have a safe year
Great post Michael. In my opinion money is the greatest fix all but at the same time it is the greatest problem getting it.
Man, ain't that the truth. In more aspects than just Racing.
I agree, but my question is why doesn't super stock have the same problem? I suppose cause its a shoe polish race come Sunday?
But why is it so hard to get the money? We all know how much entry fees have gone up and payouts have stayed stagnant. As my dad said the other day, entry fees were $50 and a person could win $10,000 if they won Super Stock at a national event in the 80's. It purely does not make sense to me where the money has gone - other than highly paid board members at NHRA.
I believe that is exactly why. Stock and Super Stock #'s are still good. I definitely do not advocate going to shoe polish racing.
I am not saying it would not work. I am just saying I do not think that is the 100% best answer to fix Comp. Money is what will fix Comp.
So let's say you have racer 1 who can fly. He could go below the .6 or .7 taken off the indexes with ease. But racer 2 can barely run within .1 of his new .6 or .7 adjusted index. What is the motivation for racer 2 to come out and race? What is different from leaving the indexes as is? Racer 2 is still .2 or more slower.
Everyone will say, work harder, spend money, etc. But what is the true motivation for him to show up when he knows he will get out ran? Now maybe all of a sudden the 1st rd losers get their entry fee back. So racer 2 knows that no matter what, he will get his entry fee back, then he might show up. Taking indexes off is not the answer and until you can prove to me it is, I think you are wrong.
The above is the main reason I still run Super Stock with my modified car. I have spent as much or more than my dad on his engine, trans, center section, etc. My car is just not as good as his purpose built modified car so I stay in Super Stock instead of being a first round loser in Comp. Would I love to run comp? Hell yes! I would run it tomorrow if I had the right car. Would not even think twice about running comp. It is by far the greatest class in NHRA drag racing. But, until everyone bands together and tries to fix it without having their own special interest in mind, Comp will not grow.
Have we asked guys like Martel, Barone, Patterson, Stephenson, etc why they quit? That would be who I would talk to so I could figure out what caused them to quit. Then, you will have an answer as to why Comp is not growing.
The indexes would just be a change of the numbers on the scoreboard. CIC would change with it. It wouldn't effect the racer, just make it easier for the unknowledgable spectator to decipher what's going on. I've had to explain comp to some friends who weren't familiar with the class and I think it would help.
One thing I noticed the other day is that the Ultra Street rules (1 step slower from the X275 class in small tire 1/8 mile racing) has accommodations in the rules to include 4.0L super stock COPOs. With a proper index, I don't see how including the Factory Stock cars in Comp would hurt.
There's not as many 4.0L SS only cars out there, but there's a lot of cars running the Factory Showdown with the 2.9L blowers this year. i bet there would be some interest for those guys to run Comp at the divisional level and national events that don't have the Shootouts. If I had the resources to put together a top quality car to run FS/XX, I don't think I'd care too much about bracket racing it, I'd just want opportunities to run it hard and keep making it quicker.
I could see having a class that directly crossed over to the rules for those cars in stock, or having super modified type chassis rules (like the SS cars essentially), or both. Could be the new AA/SM (with a proper index though).
Your last paragraph says it all and is one of the best ideas yet...
I cannot debate the comparison from operating costs 30-40 years ago for NHRA but I can tell you that in my business my operating costs have more than doubled in only 15 years and cannot charge anywhere near that to cover it. You may very well be correct but I think one would need a lot more facts to truly evaluate it.
BINGO!!!!!!... nuff said...
I truly believe that Comp is in dire need of a series sponsor.. someone along the lines of Lucas Oil, Jeg's, Summit, Moroso, Reher & Morrison.. etc, etc.. the biggest problem in trying to accomplish that is the give back side of a deal like that.. what can Comp give back to the sponsor..
Once upon a time, I found myself in a corporate office in NYC, asking for sponsorship for one season.. and at that time, I think I was asking for about $10,000... everything was going well, until the question was asked about how many times the sponsor would see his company name on TV, or in major sports magazines.. the answer I gave got me a quick escort to the door... IMAGINE THAT!!!
Unfortunately, until recently, NHRA has failed the Sportsman racers through their lack of interest, advertising, and TV time.. but they have made a few moves in the right direction.. but we need to be able to guarantee a prospective sponsor that their name will be recognized in public venues.. and like the companies mentioned, have to understand Sportsman racing in general..
I believe that this can be done, and maybe Division by Division, or on a National basis.. Comp would also need a spokesman, from the Comp ranks, who can throw his, or her, "A GAME" credentials on the table, and show how appetizing this deal can be.. WE HAVE THOSE PEOPLE!!
Maybe this can be Food For Thought to be discussed by our SRAC reps, but I'm confident that they are already on it... just sayin'...
"Advertising" is a lot different now too. You can't really blame NHRA because there aren't sponsors interested in Comp and/or the racers. You might blame the Comp racers. How many Comp racers are active on social media?? I don't see many. TV and magazine print aren't what sponsors ask for these days, at least that hasn't come up in our conversations with companies pertaining to sponsorship. They want you to have a strong social media presence and following.
Other than time invested, taking advantage of all of these social media platforms is practically free. I've taken advantage of it, even though I don't really like doing it, and I've been able to land and keep some really good sponsors. It's the ONLY reason I'm able to race really.
The racers, companies, series I see really flourishing right now have a huge social media presence.
Just some food for thought.
Great point, Carey, and it is practically free.. maybe Comp needs a point PR person to get it rolling better than it is right now...
And back when we were trying to sell our wares, there wasn't much in the way of social media.. I think my partner may have been Fred Flintstone, but he actually looked like Barney Rubble... LOL!!!
I'm curious, how people would react by making comp like IHRA Modified was. Comp Eliminator with a dial in eliminator? I'm not saying I'm for or against the idea but if on Sunday your 2 tenths under car was suddenly as competitive as the 6-7 tenths under car it might bring the numbers back. It might back fire completely as well.
I know some will hate that idea, But it might bring back those that have cars that aren't that competitive under the current system.
Before someone tries to give me a new "A" hole I'm just throwing stuff at the wall here.
You can put me under the hate that column.That idea didn't work in IHRA and I don't see it working here.Might as well run Super Pro at your local track.
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