Charlie, think of it this way, we are making the .45 to .50 under cars think they are competitive. As I have learned, with the CIC being the way it is, you are not going anywhere with a .45 to .50 under car. A Handicap system is only as good as the rules that enforce it. In D 1 at most races, the final 4 are usually down .06 or more. I ask you this, if there was no temporary CIC at all, the best cars would be .45 to .50 under and the old .45 to .50 under cars will be .35 to .40 under when eliminations come around, Handicap would be basically the same, so what is the difference? So as a newbie, and learning how comp works, I am a little turned off with the whole strategy of qualifying and protecting your index. How many other new comers come in and learn this is what comp is all about and then leave? Now fortunately, I go to the races and hang out with my brother and nephew. PS Clark, how long have you been racing Comp?