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Discussion in 'The Comp Buzz' started by cervelli7, Apr 22, 2018.
Three lay down rounds towards a championship and counting .
Would you care to expound on that comment Frank? Such as who,what,when and why.
Yes, Mr Cervelli.. "frankly" speaking, it would be nice if a precise explanation would accompany your claim... just asking, because I'm not sure if we're seeing the same circumstance..
I think the guys who finished behind him in points last year where he had 4 lay downs towards his championship run(although he didn't win), and claimed points at those 4 races, might want to elaborate on it. And it looks like it's happening again. I'm just asking how is this good for comp? Most guys can't afford to go out and BUY championship cars, and then bring out blocker cars, so why decide to go comp racing if that's what you're competing against. The team that I work for gets in trouble by NHRA if we lay down. I guess I'm used to the multiple car team that I work for "racing" each other. We don't have blockers, we have racers. This year it has happened at Orlando div.,Gainesville nat.,and Dinwiddie div. If you count the bye after the first round it would total 5 rounds . I think that should put everybody on the same observation as me.
Good morning, Frank, and thank you for elaborating on your post, and providing an explanation of your thoughts.. I haven't been paying as close attention to the statistics as you, but if accurate, this stuff kinda chaps my ass.. while being part of "race teams", and understanding the "race team concept", I know what happens within a race team, and have participated in the team concept.. sometimes successfully.. and while watching the ladder, loyal team members know their role, and the fans understand the concept.. DON'T COME TO THE STARTING LINE!!
AND, I would love to hear from the guys who supposedly laid down last year, but we all know that they all experienced some type of mechanical difficulties, or left on the first yellow because a bee was in their helmet... so hearing from those people would be fruitless..
I also understand the "blocker concept", and have personally been called upon, in the past, to act as a blocker, but usually after mid-season when the points picture is starting to reveal itself.. and as we all know, the "blocker concept" does not always work because the blocker actually has to race to win, except against the racer that brought him in.. that's when the "race team concept" kicks in.. we all know how that works.. does the blocker get cash, or favors??... HMMMMMMMM
That being said, I find it distressing that "the lay down concept" is commonly used in bracket racing, resulting in splitting payouts, etc.. BUT, to use this method in Comp, outside of the team concept, is not helping the class overall.. and I can tell you from the sidelines, that watching those types of races is laughable.. and honestly, Mr Cervelli, if your team is receiving some type of sanctions by NHRA for using these tactics, NHRA should be sanctioning race teams all over the Country.. Division Directors need to step up, pay closer attention, and penalize those racers participating in this nonsense.. maybe another Tech Inspection for the loser, like an investigation.. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S IT!!
As far as racers, outside the race team, that BLATANTLY lay down for someone, especially this early in the season, I'll publicly state that I have very little respect for them as racers, cause apparently, they have no respect for themselves, or the hard work and money that they have put forth to race Comp.. and if it's proven that they did lay down, and received favor for doing it, they should be suspended.. ain't that right, NHRA??.. BUT!!.. if you lay down for someone, and get nothing for it, you're just an Ass Clown... YUP, I JUST SAID THAT!!..
BUT!!.. I will add that if you are clearly beaten, and click off to maintain your indexes, I don't believe that you are laying down.. key words here, CLEARLY BEATEN..
I believe that Comp racers should pay closer attention to Vinny Barone's concept of drag racing.. "MAKE NO DEALS, RACE TO THE STRIPE, AND IF YOU CAN'T WIN, CAUSE DAMAGE".. that concept just might help the class, for the fans, and would definitely help even the INDEX playing field.. might even serve to provide some self respect for some racers..
So, Mr Cervelli, I understand your thoughts, and have shared mine.. I would say that you should document your evidence, and if you feel strongly enough about the situation, take your evidence to NHRA Rules Committee, of course, bypassing SRAC, because stating your case on this forum actually means nothing, other than for people to read, and then go back to their "safe space".. and since my comments are public, feel free to use them..
I keep thinking of a great team that is no longer around, EXACTLY because of this type of nonsense.. eventually, you come up against REAL racers that won't even hear about cash, or favors, to give you a win, and then they make your offers public.. eventually, it becomes embarrassing, and you disappear...
SOOOOOOOOOOO!!.. if it sounds to you like I'm calling on Mr Cervelli, and NHRA, to do something, YOU WOULD BE RIGHT!!!
I guess I should go outside to check on the Rumor Mill, but it's raining, and it's COFFEE TIME!!!... HazelNUT coffee with HazelNUT Creamer, OF COURSE... did somebody say NUT??... IMAGINE THAT!!!!
WELL, I got places to go, and more people to piss off... wish I was an ACTIVE COMP RACER... LMAO!!!
Crickets??... do I hear crickets??... or maybe an opinion from a Nu Inglandah applies.. "PUPPETS"...
Yeah Charlie no one cares dude. The dems, I mean the reps are the ones In question here... get over it.
I'm glad you got my point out of all of that.. just didn't want to get clickish, or political.. LMAO!!!
BUT!!.. ya know what's good for Comp today??... that A/EA going against that E/DA in the next round, and both are clean...
That A/EA has a real index. That other car is still softer than when it was bought with a 1 on the window
A lot of smart people put a lot hard work, thought and yes, money into that E/DA combination. Is it stupid fast? YES, it is but if the index is so damn “SOFT” why aren’t there 20 others out there and 10 more being built???
There aren’t 20 of anything out there or 10 of anything being built.
When you won the championship you brought that index back to reality, the dumb rules allowed someone to buy the car and get a tenth back, which 20 races and a year and a half later is just now back to where you had it. Now he can put his blocker in it and get the tenth back again.
429 K/AA Old Dude
Appears to be some whining from the non-racing section again.......
Hey Raymond,I race just as much as you and I agree with whats been said. That's why I started this post. Doug I think nobody is going to sink that kind of money into a new project for a class that might disappear . With personal index you don't build new. You just buy used from someone that has used up their personal index. Or you don't sell and get a different driver . That is really how how personal has changed the class, and the growth of the class.
429 K/AA Old Dude
Didn't you go to IMSA or something like that?
Always great to read your valuable insight Ray.
For the record, I’m not saying Aragona did anything wrong. He played by the rules. But he has exposed some fundamental flaws in the rules that should be addressed, that is if it is really about the class as whole
I think bruno said it best on here last year, go back to go more than .50 under in eliminations and you hit your personal index,get rid of CIC. This then only makes the blocker a round win,not a CIC index saver in eliminations.
My other thought, if a driver use up his personal in one class, they cannot have personal in another class, they race off the class index. My understanding of personal index was to get new racers out, not existing racers to swap cars around.
That was the intention, or at least that's what the racers campaigning for it claimed, but that's not what it did. And you should add to the swapping cars around comment, that it has also parked cars, or racers trying and sell cars. I say try because there are a lot of cars for sale, but not a whole lot of people looking to jump in to a slam on the brakes performance class.
Raymond, , It's NMCA and you dont use your brakes to win races over there. I do still race comp also. Unlike yourself I can handle two types of racing . NMCA version of comp NA 10.5 (old comp style race to the finish line) and NHRA comp (1000' pump brakes new style comp)
429 K/AA Old Dude
IMSA, NMCA all the same. I've been here (NHRA) 51 years and believe me I've seen a lot of kids come and go that can't hang.......
just cause you been around for 52 years does not make you automatically smarter than someone else. Nice try though lol
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