Top half of field?

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  1. Jeff Childs

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    In an odd number of cars field, where does the top half/bottom half end? Example Rockingham, there are only 3 cars, so would 1 and 2 be the top half and 3 be the bottom half or only #1 be on the top half?
     
  2. Clint Neff

    Clint Neff Well-Known Member

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    Both are top half.
     
  3. Jeff Childs

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    How can both be top half?

    Say we go out to 5 cars then, is 1-3 top half, 4 and 5 bottom half or 1 and 2 top half, 3-5 bottom half?

    There has to be an actual cutoff for the mineshaft ruling.
     
  4. Brian Stufflebeam

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    it is based off of the ladder that would be used so a 3 car field is based off of a 4 car ladder which means that 3 is first car on bottom half. 5 cars are based off of 6 car ladder so 4 is first car on bottom half
     
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  5. Jeff Childs

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    Thats interesting, thanks!

    It appears NHRA has made a mistake then from the Reynolds D2 race.
    Chuck Haubiel went -.65 in elims and did not get his index hit.
     
  6. Greg Schenck

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    Jeff, to be mineshaft you need at least one car in the bottom half to go -61 under. So in a three car field all cars would have to be 61 under. In a five car field the fourth car (Kimbough) would have to be 61 under which he wasn't.
    So yes it was not mineshaft and Chuck will be taken 5 personal as soon as NHRA catches it.
     
  7. Jeff Childs

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    Yeah that is what I was thinking until I saw the updated personal index list and he wasn't on there. Thought possibly they did something different I was not aware of.
     
  8. greg williams

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    Why wouldn't mineshaft conditions be determined by a correction factor instead of how far under the top man of the bottom half is.
     
  9. rfh

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    According to the D2 director the tech guys in Reynolds missed the fact that the five car field runs off a six car ladder. The top qualifier gets a bye in the first round so there need's to be six positions on the ladder with the bye being inserted in the number 4 position. 1 gets 4, 2 gets 5 and 3 gets 6, Because of the insertion of the bye Reynolds was not under mindshaft conditions. However the tech guys missed that and told the five competitors that it was mindshaft conditions and to set their cars up for that.The mistake was discovered too late to make the necessary corrections and the D2 director didn't think it would be fair to hit Chuck after the fact. A fortunate break for Chuck but the rule book clearly states the race is run under the event directors discretion and his word is final. That's why chuck's index did not get reduced. I only know of one person to walk this earth who never made a mistake.....but He didn't work for NHRA.
     
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  10. hickeybros

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    so in actual reality,the guy running the event was the ruler,the king,the top dog.so if he makes a mistake,who cares? he being the top dog corrected it & all the rest of you whinney asses have to go home, like it or not.thats how it should be.why not concentrate on being at the race to participate & enjoy racing with the rest of the field & not be annoyed that a fast car DIDN'T GET HIT.work harder!
     
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  11. SmileyRacing

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    Hickey bros. what the hell are you saying or trying to say???
    Clark Smiley
     
  12. Greg Schenck

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    Bob, all I have to say is shame on the Div 2 director and tech. They know the rules or should know the rules. I know the world champ knows the rules and he was there. Also the five cars run off of a five car ladder. It can be downloaded easy. I have never seen a div director or tech come to us at a div. or a nat to tell us that it was mineshaft. NEVER

    1 4 D Rampy A/EA -0.694 ________
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    0 Bye ________| |
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    3 2211 V Puckett F/AA -0.619 ________ | |
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    5 39 A Wilson D/SMA -0.496 ________| |
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    2 307 C Haubiel C/SM -0.691 ________ |
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    4 26 J Kimbrough C/DA -0.581 ________| | |
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    0 Bye ________ |
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    0 Bye ________|


    Dragracecentral had it right
     
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  13. hickeybros

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    ok clark,lets go over this slowly. this ship has sailed, ok get it?
     
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  14. rfh

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    Greg I agree that Nhra has ladders for odd number car counts but if you look at those ladders there are 6 positions in which to position those 5 cars, They have to add an additional position so a bye can be inserted into the ladder. In the case of Reynolds the bye should have been inserted in the # 4 position moving Kimbrough into the 5 position and lined up with Chuck. That would leave Puckett and Wilson in the 3 versus 6 position to race each other. That's all I was trying to point out. Human error made the ladder incorrect. As far as the tech guys coming around to inform the 5 competitors that was or was not mineshaft conditions you can now say that you have seen it all
     
  15. Brian Stufflebeam

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    so did number 3 make the top half?
     
  16. Greg Schenck

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    Yes Brian, 3 made the top half but four is the first car in the bottom half and he needs to be 61 under to be mineshaft and Jim was -58 under.
     
  17. V Puckett

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    This fake news phenomenon has become epidemic. Me, Rampy, and Kimbrough were pitted side by side at the event. Everyone of us knew it was a 60 under race!!!!! Never heard anything from an official or the director about mineshaft rule. This ignorance is getting pathetic, guess it just a sign of the times!
     
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  18. rfh

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    Van Your DD told me on the phone that his tech guys told him that they had informed the 5 drivers in attendance that it was mineshaft conditions and to set their cars up accordingly. This may be a case of the tech guys covering their asses after discovering their error or maybe it was something else. I talked with Chuck Haubiel this afternoon and he said he never had anyone come to his pit area to inform them about mineshaft conditions. Sounds like you,David and Jim were never informed either. I guess Glendora will have to make the call. As always stay tuned. Some sort of explaination is coming.
     
  19. SmileyRacing

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    No Hickey I don't get it. If you can't count go back to grade school. I can count to five pretty damn fast so you don't have to go slow. Nothing to get over.
    Clark Smiley
     

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