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E-Town Bloodbath

Let me tell ya........ I was in the stands for the first two rounds and scraped my chin on the bleachers seat in front of me when my jaw dropped in disbelief of the action on the track......... it may have been a little quick on the gauges, but no way killer or mineshaft conditions......... but for me the track surface was real good.........

As for the winner, I'd have to say it will be the guy with the most bandaids in the trailer for the end of the day........ whoever is willing to bleed the most wins.........right now, as we all know, whoever is the cleanest has the best shot.......... I say Rampy........ he needs this one...........
 
Chad Voges said:
No way. I'm a big fan of David Rampy, but he will never get to the final through Zane without taking permanent index, which he won't do. Zane has proven he is willing to eat index if necessary. Zane over Biondo in the final.
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I don't think Zane has the ability to eat up much index with the weather today. It appears to be a little warmer, so BIG BIG advantage to Rampy. If Zane wouldn't of taken too much stripe in Rd. 3, it could of been a different story. I guess we will have to wait and see. Top fuel is up as I type.
 
Will Hanna said:
Allen (-.78 under qual/.10 cic) vs Crimmins (-.65/.21)
Crimmins goes red Allen takes a clean win...scary.

Armstrong (-.67/.13) vs Martel (-.63/ZERO)
Must have jinxed Martel with my pick, he redlights his chances away...Armstrong stays clean.

Stanfield (-.59/.10) vs. Deceglie (-.64/.13)
Deceglie will make Baseball Tonight's "Touch Em All" segment with 'I'm not a player I just crush alot' .54 under win to take a .17 cic into round 3.

S. Biondo (-.67/.08) vs Miskovisky (-.50/ZERO)
Miskovisky goes red, Biondo stays clean into round 3

Other side of the ladder

Hord (-.71/.13) vs. Zane (-.65/ZERO)
Hord Red bulbs, Zane still has zero cic for the event.

Treadwell (-.67/.15) vs. Greco (-.63/.11)
Was a close one as we called it, Treadwell takes .03 more cic, but what the hell, they're free on Monday after .05 in round one.

Schonberger (-.59/.11) vs. Smith (-.64/.09)
Smith goes red, Schonberger advances...could be the sleeper pick.

Rampy (-.65/ZERO) vs. Rossi (-.60/.04)
Rambo draws another red bulb, keeps zero cic going into r3. Ever heard the saying you make your own luck?

R3 matchups:

Allen vs. Armstrong
Barring a redlight, gonna be an ugly big cic win for either...Allen with the performance edge, but does he have the consistency down to run in the .70 under zone again?

Deceglie vs. Biondo
Deceglie is real ugly and Biondo is relatively clean. Big advantage Biondo

Other side

Zane vs. Treadwell
Zane's race to lose as he is clean and Treadwell is ridin' .15 dirty.

Schonberger vs. Rampy
Definite advantage Rampy if all stays green.
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ROUND 3
Allen vs Armstrong
Real close race here, Allen may have lifted a bit early trying to save index. Allen was off 14 mph his qual pass. Armstrong takes the win by .009. Armstrong takes .18 cic into the next round. To add insult to injury Allen hits BB/AM .04 permanent in the process to be the 11th class to take a permanent hit.

Deceglie vs. Biondo
Biondo goes red and Deceglie dodges a major bullet.

other side

Zane vs Treadwell
Treadwell was pretty used up coming into this matchup and Zane takes a .54 under win

Rampy vs. Schonberger
Schonberger was .10 dirty against Rambo's clean. Rambo stays clean with a .49 under win

SEMIS:
Armstrong vs Deceglie
Armstrong has .18 cic and Deceglie has .17. Run 'em to the stripe boys.

Zane vs. Rampy
This one will be won on the tree. Advantage Rampy because he's clean and Zane has .04 cic. On paper, this essentially is the final round because the other side is pretty much used up cic wise.
 
total of 12 classes got hit.

A/DA -.02
BB/A -.03
G/ED -.05
AA/AM -.06
D/ED -.01
D/AA -.02
A/A -.05
I/A -.01
L/A -.10
C/D -.02
BB/AM -.04
L/AA -.01
 
Will Hanna said:
ROUND 3
Allen vs Armstrong


Zane vs. Rampy
This one will be won on the tree. Advantage Rampy because he's clean and Zane has .04 cic. On paper, this essentially is the final round because the other side is pretty much used up cic wise.
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Will, the other side used up?

Greg
 
Charlie and Steve,

Do ya'll realize if they both go .030 on the tree , that David has to take five perm. to win.

Greg
 
Rampy's .008

So it's safe to say that he was prepared to go red and give the win up, cause he is not prepared to hit his index, as he stated earlier. .008 shows up in the final of a National event....yikes....how do you match that? All the issues we discuss about Comp were addressed in one run, almost red to save index, put weight in to save index, take the weight out and the hell with the index...I'm in the final, and lst but not least, if I can't win at -60 under then I don't deserve it...there's always next weekend.
 
ijzane said:
It certainly does appear to be an interesting race! I'm picking Zane to win it all!!! But what else would I say. He's gonna double up in SS also. Driving two cars and neither one has a whole engine.....
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Ike,

Why do you need more than six cylinders, unless they are in a Buick?
 
Charlie Yannetti said:
it may have been a little quick on the gauges, but no way killer or mineshaft conditions
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Charlie,

It was so fast because there was so little water in the air. I forget which run it was, but for one of them the water grains were 41 and the vapor pressure was below .3. It must have been even worse for the dial-in and .90 racers because it was a lot faster than indicated by the corrected altitude.
 
Water Grains???

I give up.....What is a water grain? Our weather station doesn't talk about such things.
 
water grains

relative humidity is very diceptive. it's just like the name says, a relative measurement of water per temperature.

as air temperature increases, the air can hold more water. since air at 80 degrees can hold more water than water at 60 degrees, 70% relative humidity at 80 degrees has more water (grains) than 70% relative humidity at 60 degrees. It's the same relative humidity number, but you'll see quite a bit more water in the air at the warmer temperature.

The water grain measurement takes the relative part out of it, and just tells you how much water is in the air.

we really have to pay attention to it with our blown alky motors, so i'm sure it really effects the aspirated motors.

in my years of bracket racing down here in south texas, you don't really need an expensive weather station. all you need is a humidity gauge. even though the temperature was going down, the humidity would always go way up. so would the et.

i know in our blown motors we can get away with more timing due to the cooling effects of the water when running in more humidity. is that true with an aspirated comp motor?
 
Is it hot?

When I was just feeling my way through....how to run Comp, David Nicken's would ask me on the phone, is it hot?.....well he was asking a question that I had no idea what he meant. The amount of water in the hot air was what he was referring to.....soooo....I know that now, but I did not know that then. I am sure the tune-up of today has a lot more info.....in making the decision .
 
You're right Dave.......... I set up for and .88 and went .859 on the brakes....... that whole session was strange..........
 
Cool post

The input on the water grain discussion has to be the coolest post (pardon the pun) that I have seen. The technical answers that have come out of this question ( Will's answer) have to give you a respect for the people that frequent this site....both posting and viewing the discussion's....they are spending the time to engage this forum because they want to. How many of you knew about the relative humidity thing vs. the grain of water simplicity?
 
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