Don, no I'm not confused, you are. What classes are runaway classes? I understand you are tired of racing Doll but get real, what you are suggesting is good for you, not the eliminator. Take Alan Ellis, is his class a runaway? Or is he just a guy with an average budget who races to win all season? Eventually a guy like him would just park his stuff if every time someone borrowed a car from a buddy they got a fresh new index, or someone builds a new car, and he had to race off his old wore out index. This is all shocking. You will lose current racers who actually race their cars in this class before you bring in new ones. The way it is set up the class does take permanent, but just like at the end of a race, the CIC should be given back.
Personal Indexes
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I'm glad you think you know me so well Brian.This has nothing to do with me or anyone else that may be "tired" of racing certain cars. What's lost on you is that I've been on both sides of this fence, struggling to run well and also running well. I would feel EXACTLY the same way had my index been hit. My thoughts on this have nothing to do with any personal gain. Give index back, and the limited budget guys making small gains trying to catch up will never do that. And there are more of them than those fortunate enough to have a bigger budget. And I can't believe you are using Ellis as an example? That's laughable! Go back and look to see how many times that class has been hit over the last couple of years and then tell me it needs to be given back. He is well capable of running 70 under his CURRENT index, and was nearly that in Chicago with an almost 1.07 correction! With all due respect to him, as far as I know, 6 figures for an engine right out of a PS car and a full time crew chief are not an average budget either. If you do a little research, there are quite a few classes that were hit this year. But probably very few took more than the tenth that was given back. So in reality, they are still better off than the previous year. Yet you want to keep giving back. THAT is what is shocking.
Go back, re-read my last post on my thoughts about give backs and how I felt if I WAS hit. The answer to your question lies within.
So the answer to my question is nobody knows?
Chad
Chad
I knew that Don, but in the same post you said that you have been on both sides of the fence, which you haven't. Guys who expected to get their personal reset to the CLASS index are screwed if they don't give it back.
Again, re-read my post. I've been on both sides of the fence in regards to how I'VE run, struggling to keep up, and also running well. I've never written and asked for index back when the class was hit with the old system and I was struggling. Now you are advocating for index back for guys who HAVE hit theirs. They've equalized themselves with others, and you want to change that. And why would anyone EXPECT to get it back? That's just plain foolish.
Because if you race comp, you race in a class, like CDA. Otherwise it's frickin shoe polish racing. I actually know a guy who said if they don't put his personal back to the CLASS standard, he's gonna race Top Sportsman. You know anyone who is going to join the class if they keep his index hit? What you are suggesting penalizes guys who actually go out and race.
The fact is that NHRA messed up by keeping this a big secret. I've spent way too much time on this and I actually don't even care, so I'll let you convince everyone to follow you off the bridge. Take it away
The fact is that NHRA messed up by keeping this a big secret. I've spent way too much time on this and I actually don't even care, so I'll let you convince everyone to follow you off the bridge. Take it away
And I know of people who will quit if they keep giving index back. This is not shoe polish racing. If you run a car in your class, it's heads up. Otherwise, it's still the same as the old way handicapped off your index. It's ironic that someone who is possibly against shoe polish racing would go and run Top Sportsman. You're points only prove that people are whining because they have hurt only themselves now. And I wonder, why did you put so much time into this with no dog in the fight? Maybe that's part of the problem. Those that try to have a say and don't care, as you say.
This whole personal index deal and giving back the .10 last year is just two more big nails in the coffin of comp... Pretty sad.
I would like to see a list of the new people it brought out. I'm guessing it might be 10 cars. I also think its the dumbest thing when I here I gave back races . Go race super categories if you want to give it back at the stripe. I think I would rather have a championship then still have index.
I'm not trying to have a say, I'm just stating the fact that you are very wrong. I'd like to pull the internet ninja warrior maneuver of telling you to "go read my post" and you will see that I never said my friend was against shoe polish racing. But the health of the class would be against comp racers leaving for shoe polish racing, no??? I know I know, you are campaigning for what's best for the good of the class... The number of private messages I have received in favor of my posts is kind of funny, I just don't know when people got so scared to speak their mind at risk of being scrutinized. I'll give you credit for that Don, at least you aren't afraid to be wrong in public.
Here's my thoughts... The personal index system was started to try and bring in more racers. I don't think it was much of a help. At least NHRA tried something. If it were my decision to make I would set ALL the index's back to January 1st 2016 and instead of giving everyone a tenth back, take away a tenth. Lets race to the finish line again instead of worrying about index. It is safer (crashing your race car to save your index) and much more in the sprit of Comp. There are those who will say "What about the guy who can only run 30 under" and to them I say WORK ON YOUR SHIT !!
I agree with Brian. What I noticed, at both Indy and St. Louis National, was a lot of people walking around not knowing what's going on for next year. People mentioning that if they do not give personal back, that either they weren't going to fix or put a motor back together and just change classes. Or, they were going to go down to Florida and ruin the class that they were in, that they hit personal in, and then put in a different motor and change classes. I didn't hear from 1 person who is ACTUALLY OUT THERE RACING that they are going to quit if they give personal back, but I did hear people say that they are going to quit if they do not give personal back and couldn't afford to change classes. The only people complaining about "if they give personal back, they are going to quit," aren't even racing. Even from my understanding Clint, you are not in favor of getting personal back, but I also haven't heard you say that you are going to quit if they do. Either way, the guy who didn't run this year because they wanted to "save" their personal index, isn't going to run next year either. The guy who was -.30 under is going to stay -.30 and give their opinions of personal from their couch at home and take another year off.....AGAIN.
-Kim Cervelli
-Kim Cervelli
To me giving a new comer in comp a softer index than someone that has been out there racing and taking personal hit would be like telling your employees at work. "Hey we are hiring a new guy but it's cool he will get paid more than you!" Seems like you are shitting on the people that make your world go around. Just my opinion but hell I am always right.
Clark Smiley
Clark Smiley
People actually said they are going to quit because of a petty index rule?
I have been involved in several sanctioning bodies and classes in the last 15 years that just dissolved entirely. Leaving us no place to race. Such a horrible feeling after spending your life savings building and racing a car. We should be fortunate and appreciative we have a place to race. Cause none of this index crap will matter when Comp is gone.
I definitely don't have nor know what the "fix" is, I just know if people stop racing then that's the beginning to the end.
I have been involved in several sanctioning bodies and classes in the last 15 years that just dissolved entirely. Leaving us no place to race. Such a horrible feeling after spending your life savings building and racing a car. We should be fortunate and appreciative we have a place to race. Cause none of this index crap will matter when Comp is gone.
I definitely don't have nor know what the "fix" is, I just know if people stop racing then that's the beginning to the end.
