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I've seen several more posts on changing the damn tree and not one comment on the posting of the SRCA meeting. I believe we need to have a discussion in the open, of what was trying to be addressed with the post on the NHRA Racer site.

Meeting Minutes:
•SRAC to prepare a document to outline a strategy for combing current non-competing teams with complimentary assets to form an actual competing vehicle.
•NHRA will email all current and former Comp competitors asking them if they have a desire to compete they should contact their local SRAC Rep to discuss options.
•Will post on nhraracer.com and division websites the need for crew members with that message.

Now this looks like some Breakthrough thinking and I believe it would be better explained in an open discussion on a site like this than one on one discussions that could be explained so much differently like the last index give back was done or at least explained.

I'll start with the first question "What are we talking about here putting a team with a motor with a team with a Car. Or are we talking about if you could get .05 back would you bring your stuff to the track again."

Did anyone see the post or has my computer been hacked because there should of been a response or two by now. Much more than splitting the tree
into two or three different types. I got one better lets go GREEN and turn the power off to the tree and put a Pretty, Well Endowed Female with a damn Flag but then I guess we would have to have two wouldn't we. I guess we could have a Brunette for .400 and the Blonde for the .500 no disrespect intended or implied as most know I've been married to a Blonde for 32 years.


Jody








Jody
 
Hi Jody, the recent srac meetings main focus was how to get car count up. We looked at how many people hold licenses in comp and are not competiting, maybe some people need help but don't know how to ask? Maybe some people teaming up could get some cars to the track instead of collecting dust in the garage. And there is NO plan on index give back at this time. Do you think the tree is keeping people at home?
 
It looks like car counts are getting better but I know of a few cars that are just setting and just not running.
 
Aaron no I don't think the tree is why people are staying at home. That's my point as I am a little amazed at all the talk of changing the tree and not one post on the meeting notes from your meeting. I will say I was a little red assed when the index giveback came and decided to wait to spend my hard earned money on getting my stuff better before I come back out along with letting some of that free Obama index(Horsepower/Money) that was handed out last year gets used up.
The Ideals proposed peak my interest and I feel anything to help the class is a good thing.
I would like to see a post of some of the complimentary assets that is mentioned. I believe a discussion out in the open is much better that a call to the Rep as if it is like the give back of index I don't believe each one of the reps explained that one the same across the board. I don't mean this to be a dig at the SRAC in any way.
One thing I do know is discussing things like this will bring a lot more value than things like changing the tree. Thanks for the return post
 
Ok it looks like someone is finally listening to the fact that Comp and NHRA is on its last leg, unless something is done.
First I don't care about the tree, its means nothing. In comp your going to have red lights it's just the way its always been. if you don't want to red light go to a stuper class with a delay box.

Second pay out is not really going to bring anyone back.



Now to what will bring additional cars back to comp . I have been in contact with many former comp racers that have given up , and its for one reason. Cylinder head development is insane. $20,000 for a set of Small block heads , and then they are out of date in a year.

Most of us could afford one motor, but the constant money we spend on heads to stay competitive.




New classed are one answer , if they are two soft , then people will burn up index and its will all be ok. if you don't believe that, then where is Bruno's class's now , why isn't some one winning and racing that class today.


Some new classes are going to be needed to turn this train wreck around. If you are one of the that whines " no new Classes" then you would rather see going go down , then quite now, and let some of us that that really really want back in race.

some new classes that I am hearing about thru NHRA techs and others as I call around.


COPO , Drag Pack and Cobra Jet cars in the exact same trim they are being race in Stock and Super stock now . foot brake and all . The manufactures will go crazy with funding.



BB/D a 300 inch type motor in a dragster with a maximum 8/71 blower like
BB/A around 5.5 lbs per cube

4 valve version of BB/A for the import guys


spec head motors

Take the econo class rules and use the same current rules with the following exceptions

1. spec CNC heads.
2 production style block / deck or NHRA accepted replica
3 Power glide transmission
4 Analog ignition

Before Jim Collins left , I wans in contact with $%#$%$% and they were willing to make both a cheat proof CNC 15 degree head and a CNC BBC head , with the possibly a big contingency deal.

a 300 inch C/ED motor would make about 150 hp less


you can only use the head the way it come out of the box , no porting , no decking . set of heads would be around $2800



I built my new car in hope this would happen, my diesel would be in the corner of the shop tomorrow.


this will be new classes example C/ED-S the s being



I have talked to many racers over the past year and have talked to at least 6 former comp racers that would field a car now. 7 with me running a A/ED-S


if you don't have a though on making it better , then please don't whine " no new classes "
 
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1 When you are contacting previous racers, ask them the 1 most important thing that is keeping them from competing.

2 Spec class, 18 to 26 years old only drivers, dragsters (min weight reasonable so they can run another comp class in the future.)with powerglide or maybe new ATI th400 (sponsorship?) transmission and Manufacturer sealed engines. Honda, mazda already have sealed engine programs. Ford has new ecoboost 1 liter turbocharged engine in UK formula ford racing series. Just allow software tuning of engine.

New blood, look at what some people are spending on junior dragster, imagine moving up to comp after junior dragster.
 
Time for a class name change. We should now call it "Self Serving Agenda Eliminator".
 
econo mod

I know I'll get my butt reamed for this, but the econo dragster deal sounds good, and a econo nastalgia clutch car only deal sounds great. But any class needs to incorporate all the big three. Not just Chevy, and I'm a Chevy guy. Fire away. They've made new classes since Comp's inception.
 
429 K/AA Old Dude

For God's sake we have enough classes already. From a Volkswagen dragster to a blown, turbo charged space ship. Pick one and go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF is wrong with you poeple!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are classes from can to can't....
 
No disrespect Greg, but the spec head wont work, people will cheat, and NHRA is not gonna do a tear down on a comp car like a super stocker or stocker. NHRA does not have the man power to police the class, they wont do it, there tired of it in Stock and super stock, and they certainly wont want to do it in Comp.
I also disagree with the cylinder head technology, or engine technology for that matter. I may not be the fastest guy out there, but im in the middle of the pack. My heads must be 15 years old, and my engine still dosent have the latest and greatest 60mm cam and all the bells and whisles, but im out there racing and trying, people need to realize that you can race Comp on a budget with its current rules.
A good point on most of this battle. Is it possible that the people that have quit Comp, or want to race Comp but feel they cant due to the fact that they are sure before the even get to the track, that they wont win 1st round. If this is true and the ultimate reason, if Comp had more money in the pot and racers got money just to lose 1st round would participation increase ?

Is the solution like they have in Division 3 with manufacturer funding on the side ?

Mark Lelchook
D/ED F/SA
 
There are too many classes now! I kinda though Steve Kent and Rodger Brogdon proved a couple years ago at Belle Rose how to get car counts up and everyone racing to the stripe!
 
rognelson777 said:
1 When you are contacting previous racers, ask them the 1 most important thing that is keeping them from competing.

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To a man Cylinder heads . most of these people will come back to comp tomorrow . I am one of those . with out short deck blocks and Pro Stock technology a A/ED -S would he a simple motor to build and maintain , under the current rules if it gets to soft of an index , so what , its will get trimmed up. to a man no one cares about pay outs

rognelson777 said:
2 Spec class, 18 to 26 years old only drivers, dragsters (min weight reasonable so they can run another comp class in the future.)with powerglide or maybe new ATI th400 (sponsorship?) transmission and Manufacturer sealed engines. Honda, mazda already have sealed engine programs. Ford has new ecoboost 1 liter turbocharged engine in UK formula ford racing series. Just allow software tuning of engine.

New blood, look at what some people are spending on junior dragster, imagine moving up to comp after junior dragster.
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NOW YOUR TALKING

comp needs to reflect both the new and the old

make some classes that are more friendly to the NA imports


heck give me a diesel class

5 lbs. per cid, 1800 lbs. minimum weight one single 2.6 turbo motor would make around 1000 hp with that small of a turbo,
 
Raymond Martin said:
For God's sake we have enough classes already. From a Volkswagen dragster to a blown, turbo charged space ship. Pick one and go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF is wrong with you poeple!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are classes from can to can't....
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Raymond I would feel the same way as well , and I understand if I was on the inside looking out. I am in contact with a lot of the people that like me just ran out of funding to chase power for those of us that are on the out side looking in , new classes are the only way to get new blook as well and some of the old guys that roll their own back out.

the more I think about the ricers the more I know that a few NA classes would get those guy in gear.


the COPO car would fill our ranks next week. I know of three that would switch from Stock to comp tomorrow and they are not current comp racers









Mark Lelchook said:
No disrespect Greg, but the spec head wont work, people will cheat, and NHRA is not gonna do a tear down on a comp car like a super stocker or stocker. NHRA does not have the man power to police the class, they wont do it, there tired of it in Stock and super stock, and they certainly wont want to do it in Comp.
Mark Lelchook
D/ED F/SA
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Mark I wish I had not have given up on my D/ED , but that's water under the bridge


I am in contact with a major cylinder head manufacture , the assure me that this head is 100% cheat proof will flow 350 cfm numbers . They currently build the Stock eliminator legal heads.

they are even in for a large contingency possibly .



Comp is in big trouble , to those that are getting the letters , NHRA knows it and its a last ditch attempt to get car count up or else .

The old way of thinking is not working , no one is going to come up with purse money , there is none.
 
Loosing Qualifying money has hurt participation the most in my opinion. Some of the guys that love to race and know they are going to loose first round just cant afford to do it anymore. A friend and former division 6 racer used to run certain manufacturers parts according to who paid qualifying money and he had enough stickers to get $500-$800 back at every national event. That money is what got him from one race to another during the season. When that money went away he could no longer afford to race. I talked to him about a year ago and he said would love to race but just cant come up with the money for traveling now that gas prices have nearly doubled since he last raced. Just food for thought.
 
Not to throw water on the fire , Greg , for a new spec class to work there has to be less tech or no tech......so why not have no engine rules , lbs. per inch , one carb ( any carb ) auto trans and....here it comes......7,000 RPM limiter in all cars in these spec classes . Now everyone can run what they got in the garage or buy cheap , but the expensive ported heads aren't going to do U any good , cause they only show their worth above 9,000 .

U have to run an NHRA issued limiter and that's it for tech , everyone gets to use their junk and tech get's to sign the tech card , just got to weigh correct lbs. per inch and pass the pump as usual . Gone will be the sweet sound of a Comp car in the water @ 10,000 , at least for these classes A , B , C , spec , but if that doesn't remove all excuses for not running Comp , nothing will.....
 
I think the qualifying money has been one of the biggest changes---I used to get $1650 just to qualify my A/ED---a ,little luck the first round and $2000 plus at every race spoiled some of us. The biggest problem is T/S and T/d---fast classes that are about 25% of the work of a comp car---note I didn't say anything about cost. It costs the same to haul any of these cars to the track so does the cost of building some of those cars. I have mentioned before I have offered my car to racers to take and race it---their answer is it is too hard---too competitive. Well those are probably two of the main reasons we race comp---so what are you going to do?
 
give some of the 100 million nhra has been making for the last few years back to all racers from top f to stock double the purse and you will see more car count. in 1970 i won a points race won about 3300 last year doug won a points race 2900 dollars. check it out 39 cent a gallon 4.25 a gallon now 35. dollar entry 165. now motel 6 10 dollars today 100. no people in the stands but go to psca 2000 wtf. more that meets the eye. yes we need to find our own sponsors to help. $$$$$ will help. more rules ? more classes? i don't think so. i can recall when in comp. if you went .600 in q. you lost 5 not a good rule they changed it now .610 in elimin. lose .01 all indexes are close but how about a car going .70 and you go .065 u both lose .05 is that fair don't think so. could go on but u get the point. bob lambeck owner d/sma c/ed a/sa race for a few years. hope to go more.
 
Russ Kelly said:
I think the qualifying money has been one of the biggest changes---I used to get $1650 just to qualify my A/ED---a ,little luck the first round and $2000 plus at every race spoiled some of us. The biggest problem is T/S and T/d---fast classes that are about 25% of the work of a comp car---note I didn't say anything about cost. It costs the same to haul any of these cars to the track so does the cost of building some of those cars. I have mentioned before I have offered my car to racers to take and race it---their answer is it is too hard---too competitive. Well those are probably two of the main reasons we race comp---so what are you going to do?
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Sounds to me like we as racers need to find sponsors for Comp for our our habit. Division 3 has it made, they have a good car count, probably partly due to their sponsorship program. I hope this year to go back there and race a few divisionals.

Mark Lelchook
D/ED F/SA
 
Rob Harrison said:
Not to throw water on the fire , Greg , for a new spec class to work there has to be less tech or no tech......so why not have no engine rules , lbs. per inch , one carb ( any carb ) auto trans and....here it comes......7,000 RPM limiter in all cars in these spec classes . Now everyone can run what they got in the garage or buy cheap , but the expensive ported heads aren't going to do U any good , cause they only show their worth above 9,000 .

U have to run an NHRA issued limiter and that's it for tech , everyone gets to use their junk and tech get's to sign the tech card , just got to weigh correct lbs. per inch and pass the pump as usual . Gone will be the sweet sound of a Comp car in the water @ 10,000 , at least for these classes A , B , C , spec , but if that doesn't remove all excuses for not running Comp , nothing will.....
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never thought of that , easy to do with the new ignitions heck even 8000
 
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