The fuel sold at Norwalk and Joliet points meet is know to be bad fuel by the distributor and NHRA, but they are still selling it, but warning us not to try to run it at a National event because it won't pass. But they are allowing us to run it at Joliet because that is all that is available. Total bullshit and NHRA needs to address this issue immediately.
Sunoco fuel
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Brian-- it has been about a year since the announcement was made that Sunoco would be the official fuel of Comp Eliminator--- It has been the mandated fuel since I believe 1/1/15--- In that time frame many problems have arisen regarding the use specifically of SR-18 gasoline, poor performance/ catastrophic engine failure problems, the inability of the fuel to pass fuel tech tests and the list goes on.--- I do not know what they are trying to do to correct the situation but in light of the situation the only fair way to treat the situation until such time that the problems are corrected is to let any Comp team that chooses to to use either VP-25 racing gas with known characteristics and the ability to pass fuel check or if they so choose to use SR-18 which everybody is very skeptical of of the performance value and it typically cannot pass fuel check from batch to batch. They need to got to a PLAN B because PLAN A appears to be flawed. My 2 cents-- Dick Ullrich
This is turning out to be a PR nightmare for them and for NHRA. It sounds as though they know what the problems are, hopefully they can come up with an adequate solution quickly.
Many racers had fuel check issues at Englishtown this weekend. Afterward there was even a petition going around to "change the fuel". Supposedly this petition was suggested by NHRA. I also heard rumors of meetings between NHRA & SUNOCO about the issues. I really don't know what is going on??? I was an SRAC rep at the event and nothing was mentioned to me by NHRA.
I tried a while back to raise some attention to the inconsistencies with the fuel but it seemed that there were too many differences of opinion among the racers ourselves so I am sure both NHRA & SUNOCO are not sure what to think. That's just my opinion of course.
I tried a while back to raise some attention to the inconsistencies with the fuel but it seemed that there were too many differences of opinion among the racers ourselves so I am sure both NHRA & SUNOCO are not sure what to think. That's just my opinion of course.
There apparently are some petitions going around. There is supposedly one asking that all race fuels on the NHRA Accepted Fuels list be made legal in all classes until racers are satisfied that the problems are taken care of.
But this puts NHRA in a bad situation, just as it does the racers. NHRA have accepted the Sunoco money, so they need to try to make this work for everyone concerned.
But this puts NHRA in a bad situation, just as it does the racers. NHRA have accepted the Sunoco money, so they need to try to make this work for everyone concerned.
Is the fuel bad from a strictly passing tech point of view or is it Bad as in No Good? The reason I ask is We blew up an Engine on the Dyno using that exact fuel. Detonation is thought to be a contributing factor for the #1 Bearing/Rod failure.
I've been told it's not the fuel but how it's being handled. Well if that's the case did anyone else see the Large Clear Agricultural Water containers they were carrying the fuel in on the fuel truck? I asked for two sealed 5 gallon steel pails. What I got was 10 gallons out of a clear plastic tank put into 5 gallon steel pails. This is something I have NEVER seen a fuel company do before.
I've been told it's not the fuel but how it's being handled. Well if that's the case did anyone else see the Large Clear Agricultural Water containers they were carrying the fuel in on the fuel truck? I asked for two sealed 5 gallon steel pails. What I got was 10 gallons out of a clear plastic tank put into 5 gallon steel pails. This is something I have NEVER seen a fuel company do before.
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I was witness to some racers being told after q1 at Etown that they were ok but that their Q2 run would be disqualified if they used the same fuel in Q2. I hate the fact that the tech people are being put in this position and I suspect they are not too happy about it either.
Fuel check at joliet described it as being stale, we didnt see any harmed engine parts from this batch. This was the fuel being sold at the track and our fresh 5 dgal that we brought to the track.
At E-town I opened a pale I had purchased from New England Race Fuel and first pass down it tested fine ,second pass they said it was stale third and fouth pass they said it was fine ! This was all from the same pail ! This is really unnerving , how can the fuel quality possibly go back and fourth ?
Bob Fitzsimmons E/AA
Bob Fitzsimmons E/AA
OK.. OK.. listen, once again.. many, many, independent test have been done on SR-18, and it has been learned that it does not have a stable self life, does not travel well, and can not test consistantly from can to can.. we'll just take fuel check off the table, cause that's an absolute joke.. and like Professor Dave said, it puts the fuel check guys in a bad position, cause it's them that are gonna take the beatin' when someone flunks after a final round vistory and gets tossed, when the same fuel passed in the semis... IMAGINE THAT scenario..
The stuff is absolute junk, and in NO WAY can be compared as equal to, or better than VP C-25, as specified in the legal mumbo-jumbo contained in A CONTRACT with NHRA..
The only thing NHRA is worried about is who, what, where, and how much was in that mere bag of shells that Comp Eliminator racers were sold out for.. and we all know that at the end of the game, it wasn't much at all..
NHRA has an out, it's called BREACH OF CONTRACT.. really simple.. Sunoco made promises that they obviously can't keep, so stick your NHRA boot in their collective asses.. PROBLEM SOLVED.. and I'd keep their money as GET OUT OF TOWN MONEY..
The petition that I GLADLY signed at the E-Town National Event this weekend was presented by NHRA, offering Comp racers the future option of using C-25, or SR-18.. at least that's how it was explained.. it appears that NHRA just might need a little help getting off that fence they've been sitting on..
Like Comp, Pro Stock is now openly complaining, but that might be considered a different animal at this juncture.. I mean, how much can they actually complain after the Pro categories are on the selling block, or have already been sold.. here we go with the mere bag of shells again.. and again..
The stuff is absolute junk, and in NO WAY can be compared as equal to, or better than VP C-25, as specified in the legal mumbo-jumbo contained in A CONTRACT with NHRA..
The only thing NHRA is worried about is who, what, where, and how much was in that mere bag of shells that Comp Eliminator racers were sold out for.. and we all know that at the end of the game, it wasn't much at all..
NHRA has an out, it's called BREACH OF CONTRACT.. really simple.. Sunoco made promises that they obviously can't keep, so stick your NHRA boot in their collective asses.. PROBLEM SOLVED.. and I'd keep their money as GET OUT OF TOWN MONEY..
The petition that I GLADLY signed at the E-Town National Event this weekend was presented by NHRA, offering Comp racers the future option of using C-25, or SR-18.. at least that's how it was explained.. it appears that NHRA just might need a little help getting off that fence they've been sitting on..
Like Comp, Pro Stock is now openly complaining, but that might be considered a different animal at this juncture.. I mean, how much can they actually complain after the Pro categories are on the selling block, or have already been sold.. here we go with the mere bag of shells again.. and again..
Racing gasoline should never, under any circumstances, be stored in clear containers of any kind. Sunlight degrades the lead, along with some of the compounds found in racing gas.
