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Shane Heckel

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NHRA releases indexes for new Comp eliminator classes

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12/23/2006


NHRA announced indexes for several new Comp Eliminator classes today. Since these are brand new classes that utilize engine combinations not previously run in Comp Eliminator, NHRA will continue to gather information and monitor performances, and will make any immediate index adjustments it deems necessary in the interest of maintaining competition within the eliminator. All indexes are effective Jan. 1, 2007.

Class Index

H/D 7.10

I/D 7.30
AA/AF 8.00
BB/AF 8.60
A/DA 7.20
B/DA 7.39
C/DA 7.67
D/DA 7.92 This seems pretty fair to me.
 
lol they really didnt do anyone any favors with the new dragster auto classes like they did with all the turbo stuff
 
Based on the index released, I will see all of you at Firebird with an A/D on my car.
Shane, It good talking with you at PRI.
Matt Hartford
 
more classes no one in their right mind would run , everyone running like the sky was falling , and scared NHRA, now you have a class that will do good to run the index . I'm out
 
Greg Hogue said:
more classes no one in their right mind would run , everyone running like the sky was falling , and scared NHRA, now you have a class that will do good to run the index . I'm out
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:( Not good... Looks like we will be out also, we was hoping for something like a 7.60 for I/D but with the 7.30 would have to be well into the 6's to even be able to qualify at an event. Im sure this is going to discourage quit a few from attempting to even try this..
 
There's trouble already...........

Shane Heckel said:
NHRA releases indexes for new Comp eliminator classes

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12/23/2006


NHRA announced indexes for several new Comp Eliminator classes today. Since these are brand new classes that utilize engine combinations not previously run in Comp Eliminator, NHRA will continue to gather information and monitor performances, and will make any immediate index adjustments it deems necessary in the interest of maintaining competition within the eliminator. All indexes are effective Jan. 1, 2007.

Class Index

H/D 7.10

I/D 7.30
AA/AF 8.00
BB/AF 8.60
A/DA 7.20
B/DA 7.39
C/DA 7.67
D/DA 7.92 This seems pretty fair to me.
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Wow......the front wheel drive classes are in trouble ALREADY! I thought the dragster indexes would be more................."friendly" also. Matt, I thought you had a Pro Stock ride? Good luck to all!
 
I think NHRA did an admirable job this time getting the indexes set. Now people who've been running established classes and worked to get where they are don't get punished by ridiculously soft classes. :)
 
how so , I have done a little research , these motors will not make the power with a small 76 mm turbo that the pro FWD with twin 101 . now 900 hp at 1500 lbs what should that run , sounds like a B/ED say 6.90 ok make the index 7.50
 
To Greg and chblder "NHRA will continue to gather information and monitor performances, and will make any immediate index adjustments it deems necessary in the interest of maintaining competition within the eliminator." If you wound like to build one of these new cars and run it you should,these are new classes and IF they are out of wack like you think then NHRA has the right to adjust there mistake!Try it before asking for something,the proof is in the pudding.JMHO I really think that NHRA is gun shy after the AA/SM index mistake (as well they should be) PROVE the index is wrong and they might listen but I think that some peoples expectations are a little low on the performance potential of these power adder classes. I spoke with a new team with one of these cars I/D at PRI (it was sitting in there booth) and they were expecting 6.50's (-80 under)and say that there old car had been 6.80s and weighed around 1660.Based on the info that I have,its a fair place to start.I think the guy who could best answer this debate is Matt Hartford,he has more experiance than anybody on this fourm.Matt?..........
 
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We have a meeting with our potential sponsor and their engine builder next week, and we will run some new numbers and see if we can do some changes to get that needed horsepower.
We were using numbers they had aquired running the srt combo in their record holding salt flat cars, using a much bigger turbo. That is why at first I was a little dissapointed in the indexs they listed. After sleeping on it like you said won't know till you try! not going to give up yet. :D
 
You're right again Shane. I guess people were getting use to having soft indexes coming out in new classes (where the normal joe blow could get a car in run .60 under ), and now I think NHRA came with some indexes that people can live with. Only the people with good equipment and knowledge should be able to run .60 or .70 under and if not NHRA should make a change in due time.Smart people have been beating on carburatered small and big blocks for over 40 years and their is little left to be found, but turbos and these new motors are another animal and should show some great improvements in the coming years.

Greg

p.s. Now lets see if NHRA will give b/nd five or ten
 
we are hoping to have our new A/ED out for some testing in march, and i gotta say that we really considered A/DA. i mean think about it. 60 under in an A/ED is pretty damn stout. so you take your combo and add a second carb (change cam etc...) and add a dry sump, you should easily pick up 40 HP and you have about the same index. i think the index is right on the money.
 
Here are a few facts. My Cavalier weighed 2350#. It had a 212 ci V-6. The best we went was 6.52 at 216. That was at 44# boost. It had 65mm turbo's. We were leaning on it hard. Please understand that NHRA does not allow any "RACE" blocks or heads. These are production "beer can" blocks and heads. 319-T4 aluminum. The area below the cylinder in the overhone area is .075" thick. 44# boost literalry blows the crank out in around 6-10 passes. We went through 18 blocks to run 15 events in 2005. It take about 60 man hours to prep a factory production block.
The highest boost level we were able to run and keep the crank in was 32#. We ran 110 gallons of methanol thru it and it looked perfect on the dyno. At 34# it started to break the block after several dozen pulls..
That being said, at least with an A/D you get to use parts that will take the abuse. (DRCE 2, etc.)
The 58mm turbos will keep this engine around 32-36# boost. We made 1300 Hp with 32#.

212CI V-6 (from Sport compact class like NHRA wants)
9.8lbs per cube
2077# dragster
1300Hp

Alot of people here have more experience than me. What will it run?

I agree in making it a fair index. 7.10 is way too hard to start. It simply makes people like myself go to a different class. Had they started at 7.40 I would have ran it.

I have 2 complete turn key engines for sale. 212 CI Cadillac Hi-Feature V-6.
I have many spares for them.

Hopefully this info helps all.
 
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